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Mako Fujimura

Good thoughts Dan...it reminds me of Miroslav Volf's "Soft Difference" paper we discussed...

daniel a. siedell

mako, yes, volf's idea of "soft difference" was helpful for me to think about a "soft formalism."

millinerd

Interesting how T.J. Clark, after leading the contextual charge against formalism, has swung back to it at the end of his career with a book length meditation on one particular painting. The object calls.

daniel a. siedell

yes, it is interesting. have you read the 'critical inquiry' debate on modernism between clark and michael fried, which consists of an argument about clement greenberg in the mid-80s? very interesting.

Wayne

I agree with your argument here, Dan. Maybe that's just because I've been addressing more formal concerns in my own work lately, nevertheless, it definitely makes sense to me.

daniel a. siedell

wayne, glad it seems right to you. formalism needs to be rethought within the pragmatic context of studio practice.

David Versluis

Dan,

Thank you so much for this post, which seems to resonate profoundly for me especially in the last paragraph. In my work with students I have discovered that they lack the ability to discuss how the formal elements and principles of art actually work in their pieces. This is common for both fine art and graphic design students and I have tried to make a concerted effort to correct this. To do this I start by showing the great contribution of the twentieth century Cubists. But, perhaps you may have insight and pedagogy for doing this.

On the other hand, students seem to be very clever at discussing their work as parody or as allusive meaning and expression.

Josh

Daniel, just a stab in the dark:

Formal values are inseparable from art. Even a piece of art consisting of printed text has a formal existence. An action or a spoken word exists formally. You can see it. Hear it. This is how you are aware of the artwork.

If you ignore formal values your work will probably be weak. Whether you are a portrait painter or a conceptual artist.
I think these observations are distinct from 'Formalism' as a value in itself.

You want to 'rescue' formalism? You want an end to reliance on external references to impose ideas over what is actually present in the artwork? The way to do this would be to use paint in a way which contains the meaning fully. Maybe 'shooting into the corner' by Anish Kapoor, currently at the Royal Academy in London? What you're actually doing is voicing (partial) support for Greenberg: trying to change the way we see an artwork by offering us an external reference.

Jonathan Evens

I fully agree with this balancing of the unified form and content of the artwork itself and the network of relationships of which it becomes part as it is seen. What I would want to argue, in relation to the previous post, is that exploring both (form and content, artwork and its relationships) involves interpretation e.g. that assessing whether the form 'works' is interpretation, as is exploration of the relationship between form and content.

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